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to beat president obama. a look at the war in afghanistan. now the longest war. how do we get out? does obama's policy differ from president bush's and what is the effect for generations to come? joe and mika and willie join in the conversation later this hour. we begin with the debt crisis. they are trying to make a deal on the deficit. houses of congress are rolling out separate compromises to safe off a default. harry reid is meeting with mitch mcconnell to craft a solution to appeal to both parties. according to reports, this would do the following. it would allow the debt ceiling to be raised three times for a total of $2.5 trillion. in exchange, some $1.5 trillion in spending cuts would be enacted. the plan would be established to identify new deficit cuts. proposal, already, getting a lukewarm response from the fellow republicans. among them, the freshman snar mark arubio and tom coburn. take a listen. >> it gives the president the ability to raise the debt limit. the debt limit isn't the problem. the problem is the debt. the plan, as outlined to me isn't a credible solution. >>
.s. military objectives in iraq and afghanistan with the center for strategic international studies and we will talk about the debt ceiling debate and the 2012 campaign with the former chairman of the democratic national committee, tim kaine and fox news andtucker carlson. "washington♪ host: today is wednesday, july 13. we begin by talking about the continuing negotiations regarding the gatt talks happening on capitol hill -- devt talks happening on capitol hill. we will have coverage of that on c-span.org. the first 45 minutes, we want to talk about some of the items in the headlines this morning. "l.a. times," debt talks grow more desperate. senators at merger -- urgent three stage process. it would have a last choice option. for the first 45 minutes, republicans only. we want to get your thoughts on republican leadership handling the debt talks. the numbers are on the screen. if you are in the eastern and central time zone for the first. the second if you are in the mountain and pacific time zones. for the first 45 minutes, just republicans talking about the republican congressional
of taxpayer funds is being properly spent given where we are in afghanistan and is all the more important. let's go to this specific project, a free could, that you discussed with the chair. the 64-mile highway, it will reach $776 million. the cost overruns have not exceeded 100%. i do not know if that is accurate or not. that is the way i read the numbers. in your testimony, you attributing this to the security environment. you responded to this shares questions about the security environment. what is the cost overrun excluding security costs. >> let me clarify it in little bit. that was our estimate we thought at the time it would cost to build that road. the bids that came in and the firm that won the contract came in at $85 million to $86 million. that was the starting point for us of the construction, not counting security for the construction management. from our perspective, the construction starting point is about $85 million to $86 million. when you include security and the construction management, if it was about $107 million. the $85 million to $86 million bid by the construction fi
in afghanistan that the top u.s. commander is now calling unfathomable. the half brother of hamid karzai gunned down in his own home. ahmed wally karzai was an influential figure inside afghanistan and a very controversial one who had deep connections with the white house. let's bring in our pentagon correspondent chris lawrence. lots at stake here as well, chris. what do we know? >> wolf, afghans who have been complaining about corruption in the afghan government probably will shed no tears at the death of ahmid wally karzai. on the other hand, he helped hamid karzai exert fouer down in the south in kandahar where the president probably would not have been able to exert that power. so his loss british columbiaens karzai at a time when negotiations with the taliban move forward and it also may have very big repercussions for the u.s. effort in the south. people called president hamid karzai's brother a corrupt gangster. but the cia's former head of counterterrorism says the u.s. may miss him. >> it's quite like live that what follows is going to be something that will not work to our interest.
, nbc news, oslo, norway. >>> as the u.s. prepares to withdraw troops from afghanistan, another setback to report tonight. a suicide bombing has killed the mayor of kandahar, afghanistan's second largest city. the mayor who, by the way, was a dual afghan-u.s. citizen was killed when an assassin detonated explosives hidden in his turban as the mayor met with tribal elders. >>> we have been reporting this week on the famine affecting millions in the horn of africa. today, a plane carrying the first airlift of urgently needed nutritional supplements landed in somalia. the shipment will be distributed to medical facilities to help starving children. >>> when we come back, the troubled life and far too early death of an olympian we got to know in vancouver. speedy as he was, he couldn't outrun his demons. >>> and later, closing the doors of an american institution after more than 100 years. >>> the games will be ready. the taxis will be ready. and all of the people of london will be ready to welcome the world's finest athletes to the greatest games that have ever been held in the greatest ci
the threat of default or downgrade. >> ron insana there. meanwhile, u.s. troops in afghanistan are worried they may not get paid because of this debt showdown in washington. gener good saturday morning to you, atia. so what was this meeting with the troops like? >> reporter: good morning, alex. the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, admiral mullen, made his way down to the southern part of afghanistan, the most volatile part in the country. his number one question from the soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines wasn't necessarily about the military strategy but it was, will we get paid. and his response was, i actually don't know the answer to that question. i have confidence that at some point in time whatever compensation you are owed you will be given. obviously the americans here in afghanistan, very worried about what's going on in washington. many of these men and women haven't seen their families for several months. many won't see them for a full year and they're wondering if those family members are going to be getting those paychecks. they're risking their lives here in afghani
. >> in terms of large operational bases at 9/11, they had afghanistan. to plan, to recruit, to store material, to train, to strategize in safety. today they still have part of afghanistan. they have a big swath of pakistan. they're in yemen. they're in somalia. they're all the way across north africa in a growing movement that's now reaching down into the western part of africa. and so just objectively you really don't need an opinion. you just need to look at the facts, sir. al qaeda is much bigger and much more geographically dispersed than it was at 9/11. >> chad, would you agree with that? and what kind of operations are we talking about in places like algeria and eenggypt compared t what they had in afghanistan when they had the harboring government of the taliban? >> i couldn't agree more with michael. and i'd actually go a step further to say not only is he right that they have now expanded geographically and have multiple launch points for operations but if we step back and look at that map you'll see it lays over very nicely with what we're witnessing with the arab spring. we're also
of afghanistan. he sat down to interview capt. there. at the end of the interview, he realized that capt. in that isolated outpost in afghanistan, because of this hyper connectivity had access to more intelligence and more firepower than martin dempsey did when he took baghdad from saddam hussein. that has driven his whole education of the army system. at the camp, they give every new recouped and iphone and you download the application and teach the class. when you have a commander in the outpost of afghanistan with more power -- more firepower and access to intelligence than you did when he commanded the troops who took baghdad, that commander has to be trained to invent, reinvent, and adapt so much more than anyone can -- anyone 10, 15, 20 years ago. that's happening throughout the labor market. what does it mean for education? >> it means we have to educational challenges today. we need more education in better education. buy more education, and this is a challenge all of the face, we need to bring the bottom up to our average and we need to do it really fast. at the same time, we ne
, the which he and debt crisis are weighing heavily on u.s. troops in afghanistan. and the top question on their minds saturday, even as bombings rock the city around them, was the top u.s. military officer couldn't answer. a question he couldn't answer. will we -- these are soldiers in afghanistan with bombs bursting around them and here is what the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said. and i quote, i actually don't know the answer to that question. i noknow mike mcmullen responde while at the same time saying continuing to work each day, wearing the uniform, listening to bombs go off around them. that's why today we have with us some -- what is referred to you by you press folks as real people. i guess we're not. we have students like laura and sydney, veterans like bill and roger and carlos, arianna, who is a senior, guillermo, who say senior, lucia, a senior, felicia is a senior, mary ellen is a senior, alisa is a senior, they're here representing the millions of people around this country who are as brave as the soldiers on the front lines in afghanistan. we don't have time f
to debate the timing of our military drawdown in afghanistan. my belief is that the general's voice should carry the most weight. what is wrong as for the republican party to shrink from the challenges of american leadership in the world. history repeatedly warns us that in the long run, weakest and foreign policy cost us and our children much more than we will ever say in the budget -- saved in the budget line item. america has one political party devoted to decline and withdrawal it doesn't need a second one. our enemies respect and respond to strength. sometimes strength means military intervention. sometimes it means diplomatic pressure. that always means moral clarity in word and deed. that is the legacy of republican foreign policy at its best in our next republican president must carry the banner around the world. of equality and opportunity for all citizens, it remains a dream for people in the middle east and around the world. as america stands for these principles and stands with our friends and allies, the middle east will transform this moment of turbulence into a more lasting
who are killing u.s. troops in afghanistan. this is the story that's just coming in. and how much are house democrats willing to give to raise the debt limit? i'll ask the democratic party chairwoman about possible cut. she's walk into "the situation room" right now. congresswoman, stand by. >>> the clock is ticking towards a possible default of the nation's debt. the democratic party chair in the congress certainly has a lot op her plate right now with the debt crisis. everything else, as well as a very, very strong verbal showdown with a republican colleague of hers from florida. she's here in the situation room. congressman, thanks very much for coming in. let's talk about substance first and then you can talk about this riff you have with this congressman. the gang of six is out with a plan. the president warmly embracing it, even though there are cuts in medicare for the elderly included. is this something you can live with? >> well, i think the really good and big news out of that gang of six is prose sal is that there are finally republicans, particularly in the senate that
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to decide on holding a new trial. a suicide bomber in afghanistan killed five people today at a memorial service for ahmed wali karzai-- half-brother of the afghan president. the bomber blew himself up at a kandahar mosque where the service was under way. president karzai was not attending. the attack came as a u.n. report said afghan civilian deaths are up 15 percent from a year ago. officials with the u.n. assistance mission in afghanistan blamed 80% of the killings on insurgents. >> this dramatic growth was mainly due to the use of landmine-like pressure plate, improvised explosive devices or i.e.d.s by the anti-government elements. we at unnama documented 1,462 civilian deaths. >> sreenivasan: nato air strikes -- mainly involving helicopters -- were the leading cause of civilian deaths by international forces. the first american combat forces began leaving afghanistan today as part of a gradual pull-out. army national guard units from iowa boarded a military plane at the bagram airbase terminal. they're among some 1,000 troops set to leave afghanistan this month. last month, presiden
contract in afghanistan that moves more than 70% of the goods and materiel that u.s. troops need at their remote fire bases, moves it all across afghanistan. the military in kabul looked at this $2 billion plus contract and found payoffs and corruption. one u.s. official telling us, and we quote from what he explained to us, that when they looked at it there were concerns about, quote, fraudulent paperwork and behavior, indications dollars were flowing to criminals and the enemy. what we are talking about is a web of payoffs. the contractors who run the trucking companies, hire subcontractors, the subcontractors then pay or police and security officials who pay off the taliban or criminals so that their trucks get safe passage across insurgent zones in afghanistan. is it realistic at this point that any of this will ever change. we spoke to a top analyst about this. >> when you have the, you know, extent of corruption that we may have seen with some of these contracts, that's clearly not acceptable and they have to change the way they are doing business, but, you know, like i sai
in afghanistan marries the woman of his dreams, over the phone. when they couldn't get married in person, they found a way to make it happen thousands of miles apart. vote by texting 22360. text one for hacker tracker, two for grandny chases incident truder or three tore phone wedding. that will air in the next hour. >>> poker showdown, political game of chicken, hot mess. whatever analogy you prefer, the deadline to raise the country's debt limit is one week from today. still no plans. back to back tv speeches happened last night. you had president obama and house speaker john boehner squaring off or spending cuts and tax increases. >> how can we slash funding for education and clean energy. before we ask people like me to give up tax breaks we don't need and didn't ask for. >> the president has often said we need a balanced approach, which in washington mooedz means we spend more and you pay more. having run a small business, i know those tax increases will destroy jobs. the solution to this crisis is not complicated. if you're spending more money than you're taking in, you need to spe
of afghanistan and iraq. >> the republicans we have on the show say they are open to the loophole cuts. are they? >> tom coburn is. he provides a lot of cover. >> i was wondering what mike was quoting. how many pages can you get read in the seventh inning stretch? >> it's in between innings. it's the entire game. >> the tough thing for president obama, he's going to say he will extend the deadline, if it looks like a deal is coming together. this, to me, is the difficult part. if all he had to deal with was the senate, i have no doubt in the next week you would have a deal that would work. the house is difficult. he's going to need to know from nancy pelosi and john boehner the votes are in place. today, not even close to that. >> you will lose 100, maybe 120 republicans right out. if you get most of the democratic caucus and boehner pulls in 100 republicans, it gets done. it's up to the democrats. i think boehner can get 100 republicans. can pelosi get 120 democrats? >> right. okay. we are going to get to bill karins on the heat in a minute. before we go, new developments in the hacking scandal
in afghanistan, now his parents are picking up where he left off, challenging a minnesota state ballot initiative prohibiting same-sex marriage. i'll talk to them and the man sponsoring the bill coming up. with your mortgage, want to avoid foreclosure. candy? um-- well, you know, you're in luck. we're experts in this sort of thing, mortgage rigamarole, whatnot. why don't we get a contract? who wants a contract? [honks horn] [circus music plays] here you go, pete. thanks, betty. betty: we're out of toner. announcer: if you're facing foreclosure, talk to the right people. speak with hud-approved housing counselors free of charge at... . >>> minnesota is shaping up as the next battleground in the same-sex marriage debate. voters next year will consider a ballot initiative to amend the state constitution to define marriage as one man and one woman. the family of corporal andrew wilfahrt is adamantly opposed to it. their son, who was openly gay, was killed by an ied in afghanistan last february. i recently spoke with the wilfahrts about why gay rights has become so important to them. first listen to m
as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff discovered for himself this weekend. >>> here in southern afghanistan, soldiers and marines are dodging bullets. when they had a chance to throw questions at the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, their number one concern was the ongoing debate back home over the debt ceiling. >> the checkbook is not unlimited. >> they told soldiers if the talks fail they have to fight, but they may not get paid. >> there plenty of you living paycheck to paycheck. if paychecks were to stop it can have a devastating impact and a devastating impact pretty quickly. >> mullen told marines given the state of the u.s. economy, all the services they said cut back in the size of the force and maybe even military benefits. >> we will have to tighten our belt and prioritize and make hard decisions. >> in the middle of a war zone like many americans, these service members are worried about their jobs and asking what the heck is going on back in washington? >> here's a look at today's schedule. the senate will be in at sdmoon the vote will be set for 1:00 p.m. we will bring you
on the heels of the most absurd unfunded wars in iraq and afghanistan and unfunded trillion dollar medicare and bills and tax cuts for the wealt wealthy. i, myself, voted for all of this. back to my original point. >> welcome back to "morning joe". the medicare plan was a $7 trillion plan. most republicans have been watching. let's take a look now at the morning papers. the san francisco chronicle and a virtual fallout if congress fails to raise the contract. they took out $5.4 billion in loans, covering the bills in case money stops flowing in from washington. new york times under pressure from democratic colleagues, seven term representative, david wu said he would resign from congress following accusations of inappropriate sexual encounters last year. she was much, much younger. before the allegations, he was politically vulnerable. two others were going to challenge him. they have been talking about this going back to college, possible rape charges from his time in stanford. drivers in l.a. may regret paying ticket violations from traffic cameras. they admitted paying the fines is volun
now. everybody wants to talk about the wars in iraq and afghanistan. george afghanistan. george bush left office, he left a deficit of under $1 trillion. that is an obama stimulus package for one year and that was enough to hold us in iraq and afghanistan for seven years. host: let's go to a democratic caller in brooklyn, new york. caller in brooklyn, new york. caller: i think the numbers of the other caller are totally false. obama should keep his footing in this situation. the republicans say they will walk away and limit the amount of money but they will talk about that is on the table is preposterous. it is showing that they are scared and they are finally realizing that obama has an understanding of the economy and he has an understanding and backing of the people. right now is the time to change the way we need to move forward in terms of fiscal responsibility and in terms of paying our bills. with john boehner trying to figure out which way his caucus will both and which -- vote, he will lose his job and we will not be able to rectify the things that are wrong with the economy
americans don't want to hear. billions of dollars in your tax money is being wasted in afghanistan or worse. a new federal audit says that some of that cash may be funding, are you ready for this? the same insurgency that is killing americans. chris lawrence is at the pentagon. chris, give us the details. >> reporter: they are not good, kyra. this audit by the inspector general shows that ten years into this war, the u.s. only has limited visibility over billions of dollars once we send it to afghanistan. what that does is it leaves the money vulnerable to fraud and even worse, quote, being diverted to insurgents. how much money are we talking about here? the u.s. has spent about $70 billion in afghanistan security and development projects and the audit shows that as much as $10 million every day, maybe smuggled out of afghanistan. how does that happen? well, when afghan government officials leech the country, no one is checking how much cash they are carrying with them. and the audit shows that afghan officials have no intention at all of scanning their cash through those electronic curren
university professor. after this break, we will talk more politics and legislation and afghanistan with our roundtable, conn carroll and jamelle bouie. be right back. ♪ >> monday on c-span, the dali lama -- dalai lama and martin luther king, jr.'s speechwriter. they spoke about a number of topics, including the death penalty. >> the number of people who kill through violence -- are killed through violence, over 200 million. but problem not solved. i think that people lay down a seed of hatred. >> watch this discussion monday at 6:30 p.m. eastern on c-span. >> monday night on c-span, look back at president nixon's foreign policy. members of his administration and the president's son-in-law discuss topics including communism in china, invading north vietnam, and the 1967 war in the middle east. >> the discussion then in the newspapers were nixon's secret plan for peace. what was it? of course, he never talked about it. that was rockefeller pushing nixon to say something, to expose what his plan was. rockefeller did not think that nixon had a plan. he comes in after a hard day of campaigning
of the joint chiefs is admiral mike mullen, he is in afghanistan and he said when he was asked the question, he's not sure what happened. >>... (inaudible) in our government defaults, where will that affect service members? i don't have the answer. we are focused on making sure we don't have it affect people already in the military. >> that was hard to pick up, the words are on the screen, and, he met with servicemen in bases in southern afghanistan and he's confident they will get paid and more confident the mission will continue in afghanistan, uninterrupted. >> we have this "fox news alert" for you, from overseas, now, we could soon learn the verdict for the american held in iran two years on spying charges, josh fattal and shane bauer were arrested in july of '09 after crossing into eastern from iraq and, they say they made a simple mistake and today was the final court session of their case, according to a judiciary spokesperson in iran and a lawyer for the hikers says we'll know the verdict within a week, under iran's islamic law, espionage can be punished by execution and, again, the sta
50 national guard troops returned to cedar rapids, iowa, after spending a year in afghanistan. about 2800 men and women will return home to the area in the next few days. this is the largest deployment that the state has seen since world war ii. and those are your headlines. >> let's talk about what's going on. couple of days ago, we heard the president of the united states say don't call my bluff, eric cantor and i'll take my case directly to the american people. today, the president is going to take his case to the american people. he has a press conference this morning at 11:00 a.m. >> we'll see what he says again. there's no talks today, folks. they've been doing them every day this week. there was a rumor maybe they'd go to camp david this weekend but not sure if that's going to happen. no talks today. >> fascinating to see after an hour and 19 minutes yesterday that eric cantor did not say a word today, yesterday, and on thursday. now the president for the second time this week will have his press conference at which time he's going to do something. i think it's his third one
away from capitol hill, the economy and debt crisis are weighing heavily on u.s. troops in afghanistan. the top question on their minds saturday, even as bombings rocked the city around them, was the top u.s. military officer couldn't answer. will we get paid? these are soldiers in afghanistan with the bombs bursting around them. here's what the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said, and i quote, "i honestly don't know the answer to that question." admiral mike mcmullin responded, statement telling them to work each day to defend this country. wearing the uniform, listening to bombs go off around them. that is why today what is referred to in the press as real people. i guess we're not. we have students like laura and sidney. we have veterans like bill and roger and carlos and ariana who is a senior. guerm who is a senior. felicia is a senior. alyssa is a senior. they are here representing the millions of people around this country who are as frayed of the soldiers on the frontline in afghanistan. we don't have more delaying tactics? we need to get to the business of hand. we have
to be questioned by parliament tomorrow. >>> in eastern afghanistan, nato officials say a bomb killed three service members. meantime in kabul today, general david petraeus turned over his command of american and coalition forces in afghanistan to general john allen. petraeus will now lead the cia. >>> and nelson mandela is 93 years old today. this morning millions of schoolchildren around the country sang a >>> this morning casey anthony is out of jail and out of the public eye. her lawyer says she's trying to put all the pieces of her life back together. we just don't know where. as cbs' karen brown reports. >> reporter: casey anthony hasn't been spotted since this photo p of her was snapped early sunday. anthony's civil attorney, charles greene, says his client is an emotional mess. >> i think miss anthony right now is happy. she's sad. she's anxious. she's optimistic. she's worried. she's scared. she's uncertain. >> reporter: greene met with anthony several times leading up to her release. >> we probably both like each other. i found her as other people have commented, you know, very easy to de
at 2840. in afghanistan today, president hamid karzai rallied his country's security forces. he warned they face a challenging year ahead, as the u.s. military begins the first part of a phased withdrawal. in the last two weeks, seven areas of the country have been handed over to afghan control. speaking in kabul, karzai told afghan troops they must step up even more, to eventually secure the entire nation by 2014. . >> in the coming three years this transition will be completed. that will be the day when the afghan nation celebrates taking responsibility of security. where afghanistan will be secured by its own people again. its sovereignty will be defended by them and we will defend its integrity. >> sreenivasan: the transition in afghanistan takes place as the pentagon navigates budget cuts. in washington, the nominee for head of the joint chiefs of staff discussed what he called a "new fiscal reality," and warned against tightening the purse strings by too much. president obama has called for $400 billion in military spending cuts over 12 years. during an exchange with republican s
in afghanistan, asking their commander if they are going to get paid, it's really shameful. >> yes. >> what are the choices that are going to be made if this doesn't come through as you hope? >> well, it's really unthinkable. i think the scepter you raised is one of the reasons i think there's so much urgency on capitol hill this morning. >> what are the tough choices and what will be paid? >> first of all, our focus now is on solving this. you know, we don't have much time left. a little over 60 hours, i guess. we've got to get this solved. >> and, you know, at the last hours, people are looking for off ramps. there is no off ramp here. the only option for congress to raise the debt ceiling and sign the initial deficit reduction savings into law. obviously, if congress isn't able to act, the treasury department has to brief people affected and will obviouslsldo that. the focus has to be driving toward some conclusion. i think the american people are gone through this recession, many lost jobs, many working two jobs, they are helping family members who have been affected. they are furious a
-- i know you've been hearing this morning about the troops in afghanistan who are worried about being paid. how close are we to default really, and what do you say to those people who are concerned? i know you have constituents that certainly will be affiliated with the military. what do you say to them, they think their families won't get the paychecks they need. >> well, we're not going to default. that's number one. and even if we did, social security and the military are going to get paid. so what i say is don't worry, this is going to be solved. this is a political problem of people wanting to have it their own way. now, you know, you simply can't govern this country this way. you have to have people of good will that will come together as the good book says, come, let us reason together. you can't stick in your ideological stance in your partisan stance, you've got to come together for the good of the country, and that will happen somewhere in the course of tonight and into tomorrow. >> and, sir, i know that you could probably very easily finger point to members on the extreme o
to influence the senators. thed where is to get more mean for the war in afghanistan. the claims were published in rolling stone magazine. >>> soon, fbis in northern virginia will notice -- folks in northern virginia will notice more traffic. 6,000 workers are moving from crystal city to the mark center. the metro is taking steps to deal with the extra traffic and they will offer bus service between the pentagon and marc center. the new line will run every 10 minutes during rush hour and every 15 during the offpeak hours. >>> fairfax county police have released two now pictures of the suspected serial slasher. a man with a box cutter or knife is targeting young women in store. he distracts them and slashes the bottom before taking off. this is surveillance pictures from the marshal, at green briar shopping center where one of the attacks happened. the suspect struck at the fair oaks mall in tyson's corner center. if you recognize him, fairfax county police want to hear from you. >>> a mount rainier police officer ordered to stay behind bars. the officer gene gillette is charged with attempted m
to be liked rather than respected. they have wound up being need that. >> the war in iraq and afghanistan, what would you do? >> help the iraqi security forces to govern that country. in afghanistan, we have to walk -- have to watch out for a precipitous withdrawal. it would create a new harbor for terrorism and they would lose their ability to stabilize the government. >> have you met world leaders? what has been your impression of them? >> i do not believe that is important. i look at the strategic interest of the united states and our allies and how we can mutually cooperate and mutually conflicts. >> finish this sentence. the state of the country today is what? >> an opportunity to be seized. big government and big banks have failed us. the crushing weight of the potential markets have yet to be fixed. that has helped to inhibit the ability of the american people to move forward. it is never a failure of the american people. that is not why we are having the difficulties we are having. it is the failure of governments to affect the larger institutions. for a period of time, you are ab
. neither al qaeda in afghanistan nor pakistan now pose as grave a threat to america as their affiliate in somalia, that according to u.s. counterterrorism officials. the group known as al shabaab has even been successful in recruiting westerners. >> al shabaab is recruiting inside american mosques in somali communities like minneapolis and san diego according to the justice department. >> reporter: congressman peter king, chairman of the commtee on homeland security, held a hearing on the increasing threat. >> the terrorist training camps run by al shabaab teach their participants how to kill people and so the ability of one of those individuals to return to the united states and to put into practice that training is a threat. >> reporter: abc news has learned that before he died osama bin laden was secretly urging al shabaab to target the u.s. at least 40 somali-americans have trained and fought in a civil war in their homeland in the last three years, including three suicide bombers. as many as two dozen remain unaccounted for. >> probably the next, most significant terrorist threat
soldiers and marines in afghanistan today. now in the middle of a war zone, just like many americans back home, the service members are worried about their jobs and what is going on with their government. >> there are plenty of you in a are living paycheck to paycheck. so if paychecks were to stop, it could have a devastating impact and a devastating impact pretty quickly. >> the only way federal employees can get paid is through defense contractors or medicare providers, that means the u.s. would have to pay penalties and interest on the late bills which would drive up the deficit even more. >>> coming up next at 11:00 -- down but not out, a bay area woman isn't letting anything stand in her way of a dream. her story comes with a call for help from police in the east bay tonight. >>> and it could have been catastrophic. remarkably, everyone survived this plane crash. tonight hear what passengers say was happening when the plane was folding in half. turn left. you have arrived. sweet belt. e-reader for textbooks. gps. hd video cam for lectures. game pad. have you ever considered this ? it
the safety. >>> another gruesome story, this one is bad enough. an 8-year-old boy in afghanistan, the hanging -- he's been hang sfd. >> it is so sad and tragic. just the thought of it. the fact is that in helmand province there was a police officer and he was approached by insurgents and they asked him to hand over his police vehicle to supply them with the police vehicle. he said i'm not going to do that. they said, we're going to go after your son. they kidnapped his son and they hanged the 8-year-old and they killed him. the thing is that this raises again more questions in a country that's trying to establish its own autonomy. there are still intimidation factors in place, there's fear tactics for the average citizen to kind of back off. the thing is, hamid karzai came out, the president of afghanistan today, and he said -- he was really careful not to pin it on one group. he didn't say it was the taliban. he just called the killers terrorists. >> the drought in africa. horrific. >> this is an ongoing story for over a month now. imagine this -- like let's take the entire city of new york,
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